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I was thinking about trying to pull some people together for local support on survival prep. I get ZERO support from anyone but one daughter. In fact I have become the family joke, mostly they just think Im nuts. I try and not discuss any of this but my Husband sees me buying things like gold, shotguns and survival food so its hard for him not to notice.

Anyway, I getting weary of the ridicule and isolation and was thinking about putting together a small local group where we could meet on occasion and share ideas.

Is this a good or bad idea? I really dont know anyone like that in real life. Most everyone I know could not begin to conceive of a possible breakdown of the system.
I was thinking about advertising on Craigslist. All meetings would be public so I think the safety issue would be OK.

Any suggestions.

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While I think community survival is the way to go I think forming a group with
the sole intention of preparing for disaster is a bad idea and not likely to be of much value wtshtf just get some friends with "interesting hobbys" it may be easier to involve friends and family if it is seen as just for fun they dont even have to realise how usefull certain skills can be.

or move to a better location with neighbors who have usefull survival skills Im thinking more like a lightly populated agricultural area
where people are already growing their own food and enjoy outdoor skills like hunting etc Not a survival compound in montanna

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Yes, be very careful. You won't really know who you can trust until it gets bad. I wouldn't tell many people what you've been preparing either. They'll just know where to come get it when they are starving. I know you want a sounding board, or someone to talk too, but I'm not sure you should tell your daughter much either. My kids know certain things but not the really important things. I've talked to them about keeping their mouths shut, but they are still kids. This may sound very paranoid, but I think it's still realistic if things occur as I expect them to.

SB

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One of the better bets is http://zombiehunters.org

if you are in North West Arkansas, Missouri and Illinois, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and New York, or in Canada in Southern Ontario they have chapters

Also check out http://www.SurvivalMonkey.com

also your city's website likely has a local EMR volunteer chapter

When you do join you must know what you can provide to the group. If you can not provide a whole lot in terms of survival knowledge I recommend http://training.fema.gov/IS/ the courses are free. You can get college credit too. Even if you do not like Fema and think they are evil and diabolical or somesuch the info is what they base their decision making on. So it does not hurt to know


Where are you located?

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Every third GIM member is a govt spook?

In all seriousness, I am certain they are present. The ratio I am sure is less than 1/3 though!

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I wouldn't recommend it. Very few of these groups ever seem to end well, and government scrutiny is likely to become more intense in the future than it already is. Your best bet is to make close friends among those whose skills would be useful in such a situation. When the time comes, you'll have a group of friends you can rely on.

I was in a group when I was much, much younger. One of the guys in the group eventually kind of went off the deep end, and we all had to scramble to distance ourselves from any sort of fall-out. That fall-out would have been a lot more serious these days than it was almost 30 years ago. Now I find it wisest not to talk about it outside my family, and I don't talk about it to the members of my family who think it's nuts (I remember quite vividly a story a Czech friend told me of how his family was nearly arrested trying to flee their country after the Communist takeover because his grandfather turned them in. Trust no one!).

In the meantime, satisfy your urge for meeting like-minded people by going to training classes, etc. Most of the ones I've been to are very careful not to use people's last names, etc., so you can keep your identifying info hush-hush among the other participants if you want to. I've made some good and lasting friends at these (great for establishing networks), however.

Some examples:
http://www.medicalcorps.org/ This one is fun and informative, and though not everyone who goes is a survivalist, most are, including the instructors. If you go, bring extra money to buy medical supplies at good prices, including hard-to-get items like glass syringes (minus the needles, of course). The time I went, everyone was so psyched to meet other survivalists that we were all practically giddy with the camaraderie.

http://www.jrhenterprises.com/main.sc (The Tactical Lifesaver Course advertised on the page).

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This topic gets kicked around every so often. Maddie's response in this thread makes a lot of sense to me. She and others (if I remember correctly) made some excellent points in this thread that was started last April....

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showt...urvival+groups

And hang in there with the ridicule and isolation - there's lots of folks here who either don't have the family (especially spouses) on board, or took lots of time to get them aboard. My wife thought I was whacked, too, but she's finally come around as she's paid more attention to the news. The only thing I catch hell about is buying more weapons, as she believes I already have "enough." But she's grudgingly realized the value of preps, PMs, and even a purchase of land. She still gives me sh!t about it, but that's her job and she's good at it.... Anyway, stay confident - I think your actions will be proven prudent in the coming months and years.

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Shameless plug for the guy that owns jrh.......I know him, and he is a good guy.....you can trust him on anything he says.

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Keep at it, jaima. It'll make a lot more sense to them down the road and no one will be laughing when it's you that saves the day.

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I'll second that.

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Thanks for all the well thought responses. I got some solid advice and perspective. I live in the central NC area. Our area is in transition from being farming and hunting community to a bedroom community for the big city.

I will check out the many links posted. Maybe a class would be a much more sensible way to go. The last thing I want to do is attract attention from the Government. Some of the links posted above sound like they would be both interesting and useful.

As far as family goes they frustrate me. My extended family doesnt believe the system could break down and are a fairly lost cause. On the other hand my husband and other daughter are very well aware how fragile a balance we live in. They simply find it too depressing and stressful to deal with it and prefer to ignore it. I make it hard to ignore.

Thanks for all the links and advice. I will be busy checking out these links. I am ready and willing to learn everything form handling weapons to survival skills.

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Lars, thank you for the previous link on the subject of survival groups.

Maddie the Medical Corps class looks great. I am trying to locate one in my area.

I have a question about the JRH Enterprises. What is the difference in storage life between the mountain house freeze dried foods and the foods listed on JRH? Are these dehydrated as opposed to freeze dried?
edited to add the medical course on JRH looks great. I will it were closer.

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Community Emergency Response Teams (CERT)

The Community Emergency Response Team (CERT) Program educates people about disaster preparedness for hazards that may impact their area and trains them in basic disaster response skills, such as fire safety, light search and rescue, team organization, and disaster medical operations. Using the training learned in the classroom and during exercises, CERT members can assist others in their neighborhood or workplace following an event when professional responders are not immediately available to help. CERT members also are encouraged to support emergency response agencies by taking a more active role in emergency preparedness projects in their community.

http://www.citizencorps.gov/cc/CertI...?submitByState


Q: What is CERT?

CERT is a positive and realistic approach to emergency and disaster situations where citizens may initially be on their own and their actions can make a difference. While people will respond to others in need without the training, one goal of the CERT program is to help them do so effectively and efficiently without placing themselves in unnecessary danger. In the CERT training, citizens learn to:

manage utilities and put out small fires,
treat the three medical killers by opening airways,
controlling bleeding, and treating for shock,
provide basic medical aid,
search for and rescue victims safely,
organize themselves and spontaneous volunteers to be effective,
and collect disaster intelligence to support first responder efforts.

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Infidel, I found a CERT listing for a city near me!

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Don't do it..............
It takes one A-hole government planted or not to become Radicalized and then your all going to jail doesn't mean you did anything wrong just that you may have unintentionally given aid to an a-hole is cause enough to have you imprisoned for quite some time

Trust no one


"If nobody ever opened there mouth nobody would ever go to jail and we would be out of a job" Quote from our instructor at the police academy and a good thought to ponder

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I post an ad recently on Craigslist here: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/rnr/572294284.html

Getting a few positive responses but no one serious yet.

I don't understand the paranoia about survivalism groups. If the group is just survivalism and not a political fringe group there is nothing to "infiltrate". Time is running out and my guess the Feds have better things to do than harass folks getting together for survivalism. With the economic collapse coming I cannot understand why these groups are not already forming in great numbers.

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MM, a decade ago I was very active with an environmental group that was fighting to stop a Hazard Waste Incinerator in our community. Green Peace sent a Representative to work with us. It was not too long after that when people in our group began noticing they were being followed to meetings and we were all hearing strange clicks on the phone. When we staged a peaceful protest that consisted of old ladies and housewives the state sent the Swat Team in full Riot gear to arrest us. :rant:
Our local Police watched over the situation very carefully because many of those house wives and old ladies were related to them and they were concerned for their safety. In the end all the arrests went down smoothly under the watchful eye of the local news and local Police.

Think about it. If in a pre-9-11 era the state was tapping phones and sending out the Swat Team because a group of housewives and old ladies were forming an active environmental group to protest what do you think their reaction would be to a Survivalist group that will obviously be armed to the teeth? I think the advice I got here was wise and valid when I asked about forming a group. It should not be that way but it is.

Like you I would love some local support. Hell, I would like some support from my family. It isn't going to happen unless I can quietly form some contacts on the Internet.
I'm getting used to going it alone with a lot of encouragement from the people here.

I do have one suggestion that might be a safe alternative. Look for a local food-co-op and join. You will be making contacts with local farmers and people concerned with food storage. A local hunting club might also be a place to meet others people in a manner that will attract less attention.

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A couple of years ago, Homeland Security agents in Atlanta got into a tangle with a tiny handful of vegetarian protesters who were holding a peaceful and legal protest outside a Honeybaked Ham store.

Think about how survivalists are portrayed in the media. It's become a media code word for "dangerously crazy." The guy who kidnapped and killed the young female hiker in Georgia a month ago has been referred to as "thought of himself as a survivalist" in the newspapers several times. The guy who bombed the park during the Olympics was referred to many times as a survivalist. Branch Davidians were referred to as survivalists. Welcome to the fringe! It doesn't matter that we know we're not nuts. Everyone else is more than willing to believe that we are, and nuts with guns is a scary concept to most people.

My coworkers were chatting about the news story about some guy arrested for something or other. "They said he had an arsenal! He had a lot of guns and a ton of ammo! He wouldn't have that if he wasn't planning on doing something crazy, you know?" The guy had 7 guns and less ammo than I carried to the gun range the weekend before, but to most people, it was "an arsenal," and he was scary for having it. Face it, we are a fringe group.

Also consider that if TS ever does HTF and resources become scarce, there might be laws against hoarding that there aren't now. A media campaign telling the hungry public that hoarders are unpatriotic, selfish, and dangerous people will have patriotic neighbors turning you in for the reward in no time. It didn't take the media long to turn ordinary smokers into people who should be reviled, ostracized, taxed at insanely high rates, and not be pitied if they die of cancer. Think of the hatchet job they could do on selfish hoarders.

Jaime, you asked about the storage life difference between Mt. House and JRH. There probably isn't any significant difference. Most freeze-dried, canned foods will have lost significant nutritional value after 7 years or so, though they'll last much longer. MH usually wins the taste contests because it's chock full of salt and flavor enhancers that make your taste buds happy, but I think the same basic preservation and canning technique is used for all the canned freeze-dried and dehydrated foods. In fact, most of the lesser known brands come from the same couple of companies, they're just labelled by the individual businesses selling them.

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I'm fortunate, I work at a business owned by a libertarian. We bring guns to work for show-and-tell! Just the other day, one of my co-workers brought in his Taurus .44 Mag revolver, with a Nikon scope! A while back, I had brought in my Glock 22, shortly after I purchased it.

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QWAK,Back in the mid 70s I felt things were very wrong and getting worse so started looking for alternitive situatons,spent some time in a Colorado commune and discovered that the vast majority of people don't have the self disaplen,deadication and commitment to hang in there and make it work. Also that most singles also eventualy bailed out because they just could not deal with being alone and doing every thing by them selves (it takes 3 to 5 times longer to do most things).

In 81 I bought the cabin with a lady who shure seemed to be on the same page as I was and talked the talk but after signing the contarct and a couple weeks isolated at the cabin and geting blisters and dirty SHE bailed out leaving ME to pay for the cabin and land and to some how MAKE it WORK all by my self!

I decided after THAT to try pulling a SURVIVAL TEAM together and the result was that in very short order each droped out, deciding it was just too hard and that I was just NUTS!

It would be GREAT to have people you can count on, it just seems like it would be better but MY personal experience has been that it waisted more time,effort,materials and money then I ever could have imagined.

It is all FUN when you are TALKING and planing but when the RUBBER meets the ROAD and it comes down to DOING IT with the people you chose, THEN is when you find out WHAT they are REALY made of and in less the IMPLOSION is emminent and blatently "IN your FACE" obvious, they will almost certinly loose FAITH and decide to go there own way,usualy at the most INOPERTUNE time when you NEED them most!

Not trying to be a wet blanket here but just stating MY real life experience.

My perspective is this: "Do IT your SELF" and if along the way others see it working, GOOD terrific even! IF they offer to pich in and you have built up TRUST with them, THEN perhaps they could be part of a TEAM,but DON'T count on IT or let YOUR plan become DEPENDENT on it happening.

the DUCK

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Yep.....agree with the DUCK.

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Just checking this part of the GIM forum and reading posts and threads...I'm with Andy on this one.
Good luck jaima.

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Agree with the duck.

All in all a very bad idea....

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Much wisdom there, duck, thanks for sharing your experience.

I guess it's easier to walk the walk than talk the talk. Though the lady you mentioned walked like a duck and talked like a duck, sounds like she definitely was not a duck.


:D

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On the interweb you need far fewer monitors, because computers can sift through the data.

I figure they ARE organizing--they're just not using a megaphone. As for why the Feds would "harass folks getting together for survivalism", because it is necessary to keep demonstrating that there are enemies foreign and domestic, so that the money for better toys keeps flowing in, and to justify violating more of our civil rights in the name of "National Security". The primary objective of any government is to maintain power and control, and if you aren't gaining power, you're losing it.

However, Mr. Mammal, if you are still going to cast a wide net looking for other "Survivalists", could you tell us what city you live in? That way, if they decide to make an example of someone in New Jersey, and you suddenly stop posting, we'll know for certain?

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Don't build a group on survivalism but rather why not form a group around "traditional living skills" where people get together and reproduce the old fashioned methods of livings prior to the industrial revolution. Through time you will probably find people with the "right mind set" and then from there slowly develop the relationships. Use your instincts and never reveal your hand of cards. You will know when you fight the right type of individuals. Ultimately, you will need to be patient. It may takes years before you assemble just a few people.

Dave

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A home canning group may be a good start. What could be more upstanding that a group getting together to make applie pie filling?

That could quickly escalate to general canning, food storage, etc.

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Agreed. A simple way to determine readiness for such times is to ask yourself the question....'if I woke up tomorrow and it was the year 1900, would I have what it takes to survive?'. I am afraid most would have to say no. Do you know how to grow, how to prepare and ammend soil, care for crops, manage food stuff thru hot and cold seasons, kill and care for game meat. Not to mention the implications of a hostile government (social upheaval). Guns will only be good to hunt and deter looters......your not going to fend off an army or police brigade. To deal with these, lying and deciept will be the order of the day......yes sir, no sir, thank you sir, (now fuk off sir)......

All this not to mention 'do you have access to arable land and a source for wild game and fish, clean water, low traffic area?

I don't want to be a wet blanket but many have to realize that this survival 'game' is not a romantic notion. It is a realm where people starve to death, lose limbs to gangreen, and die while giving birth. If you live in a city or don't have the means or assets to live in "1900" your better off to try and become socially and politically active to derail the PTB. Or, aquire what you really need to survive.

I would always advocate storage of preps for the short term, but anyone seriously considering the possibility of an outright collapse had better be honest with themselves. FWIW, I have been honest with myself and I know I am one of the fortunate ones who, if we woke up in the year 1900, would have a good shot at survival......the time is now to to make informed choices.

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Well said, BellevueBully.

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QWAK,Lots of preps can also be a frustrating problem because by the time you get round to using them they may have gone bad an be useless and not just food!

Proper storage and rotating stock is critical obviously but some how becomes a low priority and is extreamly frustrating when you discover that things you saved up to buy and did with out so much to get are found to be water damaged or plastics have become cracked and britle etc.

When you know you GOT IT, then go to get it and find it damaged the frustration is even worse than NOT having it in the first place!:rant::censored::banghead:

Regular checks and inspections of equipment and suplies should be a high priority.

Over the years much of what I saved and scrounged turned out to be either damaged or was NOT of actual use and that I had waisted time,$$$ and effort acumulating and moving and storing.

I can NOT express enough how much it hurts to find that out!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

the DUCK

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Thanks Maddie. Looking at your avatar makes me think a good American Staff would be a good addition to the 'assets'.

cheers

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you could always move to Utah. Most everyone in Utah has food storage. It's part of the culture..

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Far less than you might think, actually. Isabel, the dog in the avatar, was a rescue. (She died of cancer last winter.) Her previous owners had taught her to jump and bark like a maniac whenever anyone came to the door. She would literally foam at the mouth in her frenzy! The mail carriers and delivery men would blow their horns and wait at the end of the driveway because they were so afraid of her. If you actually walked in, however, she was instantly your best buddy in the world. Two burglars walked right in once, and I found my Pit Bull, my Pit/Boxer mix, and my Husky totally sucking up to them and begging for attention! I couldn't believe they walked right past Isabel's bloodthirsty Pit Bull act! A few years before that, I'd had to point a gun at a man who was trying to get into my house despite 4 dogs barking and snarling at the window next to the door. One of the dogs was a Pit Bull (though I have to say that it was the German Shorthair Pointer who was putting on the best "snarling Hell Hound" display!). The guy looked completely nuts, and he was twisted the doorknob (the door was deadbolted) and pushing against the door despite the growling, barking, snarling dogs just inside it! I think he was genuinely crazy.

Staffies and Pit Bulls are people-loving dogs. It's been bred into them, as it's bred into all breeds that were used as fighting dogs (a handler wouldn't be safe going into the ring with a fighting dog that had no compunction about attacking a human). To get a Pit Bull or Staffie to be willing to attack humans, you'd have to mess with it's brain enough that you would likely have an unstable and powerful animal on your hands.

They also attract attention from the sort of people you don't want to attract attention from. I had to keep my dogs locked in my house when I was at work and keep my backyard gates padlocked. If I had my Pit Bulls in the car, I couldn't stop and run into a convenience store or anything and leave my dogs in the car for a minute. Too many Pit Bulls and Staffies are stolen from their yards and out of vehicles around here. One day the meter man, a black guy who talked like he was from the 'hood, started asking all kinds of questions about Isabel and blurted out, "My friend was wondering how old she is." Then he tried to backpedal and said he meant he was wondering. Say what?!!! He was casing my dog! I said, "She's very old and has no teeth, but I love her to death and would hunt down and kill any MF who messed with her... and I'm not joking about that. If I go to jail fine, but I'm killing the SOB. Please don't talk about her to your friends. You know how people steal Pit Bulls and all, and if she suddenly disappeared, I'd think your friend did it, and I'd blame you." It probably wasn't the best thing to say, but he caught me off guard, and I panicked a bit.

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When SHTF I doubt the Mormons will be willing to share with anyone who is not a member of the Mormon church.

Although, you would be surrounded (mostly) by people who have prepared and would not be knocking on your door.

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Exactly. Use this group to learn skills for yourself. Let the connections you make from a group standpoint be just additional benefits. Like Gold Duck pointed out earlier, you can really only depend on yourself and your own skills. Part of survival is never being in a position of depending on a group or other individuals.

I would also like to bump what Belleveu said as well. Honestly, I personally would not want to see any long term collapse. I know I could personally find a way to survive with my family but what sort of living would that be? We really need to come out of our holes and start making smart plays so we can slowly reverse what the PTB are steering us towards.

Dave

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Yes I think that is really required. Case in point...I went to the rally in Toronto on the weekend to protest the pushing thru of the SPP and the NAU (see thread by Wakeness.....Call to Action for Canadians). There were probably 250 heads there, 95% of which appeared to be university students. Talk about a complacent populace. If we don't seriously get off our collective asses the SGHTF.

Maybe start a thread inspiring some "smart plays"?

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QWAK,Maddie,When I first moved to my cabin I had an old dog who was on her last legs,no teeth and could bairly walk. Each day she would walk down the hill to the road and back about 150 yards and she would have to rest along the way.

She disapeared and a fiew years later I was told that some one down the road was paying kids with drugs to snatch dogs for use in training his PIT BULLS and that he had shot her in the hind quorters and thrown her to the pit bulls just befor a FIGHT. The SOB had a dog fighting/gambeling excibition every fiew months!

They found the SOB in the river, he had been GUT SHOT and then shot in the head!:wink:

Was not ME but at the time it COULD have been IF I had found out before the one who had done it! I had actualy gone over to his place looking for her (I knew nothing of what he had going on as I was an outsider)and had talked to him. A FAT slob and he said he would let me know IF he happened to see my dog.

I'm glad I did not KILL HIM, don't need any more bad karma ,but I am glad some one did and how they did it seemed apropriate to me.

The dog that replaced FARF was a BEGLE and she disapeared TOO about 6 years later and my understanding is that there was an underground "LAB DOG" operation and BEGLES brought the highist price!

There ARE some people out there who NEED to be ELIMINATED from the gean pool with extream predguice!

the DUCK

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Good call on starting the "Smart Plays" thread. Honestly, We need to coordinate our efforts worldwide seeing that the banks are international. They expect trouble in the US no doubt but I think we could take them off their game if trouble starts all over.

What we need is ways to post ideas and concepts so people individually or in groups can take the information and take action on their own. Essentially, lets create a headless effort where we just share ideas but do not coordinate action. I have already started this sort of thing locally with a good group of folks all pretty politically motivated seeing how things went down with the Paul campaign. We are planning things locally and I would like to see this happen all over the world.

One thing I would like to accomplish with this thread is to accomplish ways to break through to people both in large and small scale. We need to get the information out in such a way that it will withstand MSM. Obviously the Internet is a good place but this is something we ultimately can not grown to rely on. If things get bad, you can be sure the Internet will become compromised and controlled.

Ok, so the million dollar question is what do we want to communicate? It needs to be something simple and something that the masses can relate too other than American Idol. ;)

Dave

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In my opinion there is only one path (short of revolution) to follow to really throw TPTB into hardship....turn off the money spigots via tax revolt. (Ever seen a junkie with no junk, t'aint pretty). Control the government the way they control us....money. That being said, there are many interest groups in Canada and the US alike that advocate the position that taxation under the present structure is simply illegal. If we, meaning reformed sheep, were to concentrate on 1 or 2 specific issues (ie, taxation and gun laws) instead of the shotgun approach maybe thier power structure can be undermined. As it stands now, they give us so many things to criticize it actually serves them well it the ability to keep us misguided.

I'm just one man me, what do I know?

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This is a heavy topic for me…. I too have found that it’s hard to find people locally that actually understand the times…. To me its like I’ve got ta constantly strike a balance between the comforts of the here and now… and the Hell that’s just around the corner. I try to balance it in order to keep from being ostracized by the folks that will hopefully “get it” albeit too late. They WILL need each other.

The complacency that I see around me is sickening really. When you talk to friends, neighbors, acquaintances.. relatives.. lots of those folks recognize that things are teetering on the brink, but they just can’t seem to take that tiny leap… Their bellies are full, the TV works- and playing Halo is more fun than a day at the range. (I can’t figure that out) NO ONE wants to think about what could be next and if they can’t do that- they can’t prepare. Jaima – you aren’t alone. I know exactly what you’re dealing with.

So…. a local group? From what I can tell, I don’t think that’s going to work for me. Heck, I don’t even think that the “local group” thing is really the way to go. I think that you want to stay below the radar for sure. Ideally I’d want my brothers and sisters – my best friend- my wife… the people I know I could trust. Well… that aint working out. They’d rather buy HD TV’s, rice rockets and bass boats than the 3 b’s. crazy days….

Online networking? There’s a tough one. You never know who you’re gonna find… Blind trust is a killer for sure. Unfortunately it seems to be the only way to locate
Likeminders for many of us. What to do what to do…. I guess keep prepping huh? -- :D

As always some excellent advice to be found here…. good luck

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QWAK,The way I percieve it and deal with IT is that some people AWAKEN early and no longer can accept the ILUSION and feel compeled to tell others and try to awaken them from there slumber but the SLEEPERS prefer to continue the DREAM and exist in the MATRIX.

The AWAKINING has been going on a long time, at least since the 60s.

My best guess is that as much as we want to help others SEE, much of the compulsion to show them comes from our OWN NEED for confermation FROM them, that WE are RIGHT.:thinkey:

Perhaps it is some sort of "JUDGMENT DAY" that is coming :questionm and IF that is true then EACH will stand or fall based on there FREE WILL and the choices they have made.

Nothing YOU or I can say can change that reality, SOooooooooo it just seems prudent to TRUST your own judgment and DO what you feel you must do and IF they ask WHY ---- THEN perhaps THEY will be OPEN to listening.

One other comment --- IT is NEVER realy OVER -- things just CHANGE. You can NOT stop them, the best you can do is ADAPT to the changes and as best you can be prepared for the changes.

GOOD LUCK
the DUCK

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Connecting with like minded folks takes time. Both parties have to determine if they are serious and earnest in prepping.
We moved to rural SE Ohio 15 years ago...3.5 acres 2 miles from a village of 1k folks.... 3 bars, 2 gas stations and 1 grocery store.
The best place to "network" was the bars. Slowly, ever so slowly figureing out what everyone's attitude was.... plus the "locals" saw I was honest and serious to build this homestead.
It was give and take with the knowledge and resources I had in exchange for theirs.
And now 15 years later we have 3 families I can count on.
Good luck Jaima

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You hit it on the head my man. This is the way it is for me as well.

Often wonder if there was just a little hardship how many people would be more receptive?

I personally, think individual is the best way to go. I will start a thread called "Smart Plays" and we will use that to post ideas and concepts that "individuals" or "groups" can do to hopefully impact the direction we are taking as a nation.

I am with you on the concern of who to trust. Luckily, I have personal friends that are on the level both local and across country. We will make whatever impact we can and hopefully bring things to the public's eye in our own little ways ;).

Personally, I would be disappointed if people openly organize on forums like this. This place should be used for sharing ideas that you neither "endorse" or "promote" since its outcome could be illegal. Furthermore, the content herein is purely for hypothetical analysis of potential societal impact(s). :D

Dave

Re: forming local groups....
 

One would think we're in the old Soviet Union. I thought the right to "free association" was protected by the Constitution.

Frankly, I would rather take the risk of the FEDS joining a group than be alone when TSHTF. Thanks for the co-op suggestion.

Keith

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I think the time has past for such thinking. I see talk of survivalism on mainstream forums. People are beginning to understand that they cannot go it alone if a collapse occurs. In fact, many are now taking notice that a serious collapse may occur due to economic, political and illegal alien factors.

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That's great if you have the resources, a rural home and are able to farm. But even in that situation would you after TSHTF remain along or be with say all the posters in this thread joining you?

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I have found that my fellow Ron Paulers are informed patriots who understand the need to prepare and that includes personal networking. Cant find a better group of folks.

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Well, I've done some illegal immigration protests before and yes... Skully and Mulder did drive by taking photos. I just waved at them. Even in NYC when the NYPD tried the "whatta you doing here, eh? Got a problem or something?". I told them in a polite way to F*** off and the Constitution supercedes their authority as well as having notifying the precinct desk sergeant of my future presence. And asked them if they support illegal aliens over Americans. A friend of mine who lived in NYC for decades told me that it's their manner of checking out my psychological state of mind and if I'm going to be a problem. All of the future protests were without any drama and never once did the NYPD ever glare at me after that.

Which begs the question I've discussed with others on political forums. Who are the LEA folks going to side with? We should not automatically assume that they will take the side of the globalists. Especially when "just doing their job" may not be in their best interests after turmoil erupts.

Of course knowing whom to trust after the fact is a daunting task and certainly dangerous.. therefore I still contend that one should form a group beforehand.

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Perhaps add the notion of stop spending any more monies except for bare necessities.

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And there is the acute problem. Many either think you are nuts, are in denial or too lazy to take any action. I don't even know my neighbors. I cannot imagine trying to get them to band together for anything.

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QWAK,Moderate Mammal, I had virtualy NO resources when I started the DUCK NEST and much of this place has been built from scrounged materials other people discarded or threw away.

I did NOT plan on doing it ALONE it just sort of worked out that way because most people talk a lot but do very little and make NO mistake it is HARD,much harder than they imagined so they opt out fairly quickly.

When TSHTF we will deal with what comes and WHO comes on a case by case basis. REAL LIFE experience has tought me that no matter how much planing and preparing have been done THINGS seldom go down AS EXPECTED and adaptability is even MORE important then actual resources or people who you THOUGHT/HOPED you could count on.

Every one starts out thinking that THEY can cut it but when it comes time to DO rather than TALK ---- well that is a horse of a diferent color.

Don't get me wrong I would PREFER a team that I could count on but actual life experience has demonstrated that dealing with real stressors and hardships tends to spoil the IDEALISTIC picture they got in their head and people get angry,frustrated and BELIGERENT when exhausted and no end is in seight.

Idealisem is GOOD,being PRATICLE is BETTER and actual EXPERIENCE is BEST!:wink:

Perhaps life for BUNNIES is diferent than it is for a DUCK. :questionm:dontknow:

the DUCK

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I think you're on to something here. I think I'll answer my door next time and get an application. hmmm....

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Excellent post, and an excellent course of action.
Dealing in cash when buying preps, supplies, food etc with a small local based business is one aspect of that. Money talks, still, so small shop owners listen.
Stopping the shopping at corperate outlets is another way to stick it them them, because in the end, it is the coperations that are propogating all of the NWO globalization bullshit.
So no more shopping at walmart, etc.
Guns and Ammo are obviously a necessary survival tool.

Still - You can act out this way and it will be benficial to us, but a person still needs to acknowledge the plots that are unfolding and take action in other ways as well.
I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with your statements above, but add to that the fact that we should not only take action, but teach others and lift the fog from the sheep.
Call others into action as well.
Tell eveybody, all the time.

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Moderate Mammal responded:

So, how much are the Feds paying these days to monitor "Survivalists", anyway? Have you been doing it long?

:wink:

I'm preparing alone. If there is a quick and sudden SHTF, there will be a problem finding like-minded folks; but if it is a slow decline, it might be possible to locate those who just now "made the leap", (as someone put it earlier), who don't have the preps but are in the proper midset.